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« on: April 06, 2009, 08:50:05 PM »


  
        Mga sir at mam, lahat ba pwede maglagay ng advetisement dito? okey lang ba un na pag register maglagay na siya agad ng advertisement example for sale mga pups or atleast ma familiarize muna sa PPF.. how can we protect the PPF name sa mga nagkalat na puppy millers... Parang lalabas na member siya ng PPF, then when may nangyari di maganda drag ang name ng PPF? ... what can we do about this mga sir at mam po... tatanong lang po, concern bout PPF name kasi part na PPF ng everyday life ko..
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« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2009, 09:14:12 PM »

Good question  peace

Dati suggestion ko e sana wala na lang for sale dito or ads ng stud. Ok lang yun mga accessories ng pets, grooming things, shampoos and conditioners, vitamins, cages,  etc etc but not pets.

Mag post na lang sila sa specific breed section ng mga aso nila, pag-usapan doon, magbalita ng new litters nila, describe their puppies etc, mabubuhay pa ang mga breed threads. If somebody wants to buy their pups or avail stud services mag PM na lang sa owner ng nasabing dog, that way they can negotiate personally.

Dami din kasi nag post lang dun sa for sale and stud services. Ni hindi mo makita sa ibang section na nakikibalitaktakan. Parang pupunta lang sa PPF para lang mag-ads then babay na. Tapos kapag may di magandang nangyari sa transaction nila, magsisiraan pa dito hehe, hindi na lang mag-usap ng maayos o kaya report sa masisipag nating moderator para mapag-ayos sila. hhhhaaaaaaaaaayyyyyy

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« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2009, 09:46:52 PM »

     Maganda pala ung naging suggestions mo dati okey na un sana. but then siguro kaya until now madami pa din ganun, di rin kasi mapigil or makontrol.. The best way siguro is monitoring na lang.. Pag may mga new ads from bago register lang, may warning lang from moderator siguro na new member un any transaction between seller and buyer are sole responsibility ng buyer/ seller at walang pananagutan ang PPF.. i dont know tama approach so far.. But its also a good point to fight puppy millers and stand para palakasin campaign ng PPF for RESPONSIBLE PET OWNERSHIP....
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« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2009, 07:55:14 PM »

The best way to deal with this is to inform the people about the existence of scammers etc. Let's face it, kahit ano pang gawin mo, you cant get rid of them all at may susulpot pa rin. Besides, who will take on that position? Sino ba tayo to judge on people you hardly know? For me, hindi tama yung mag-appoint ka ng tao para maging isang judge and executioner at the same time. It can be subject to abuse. Same thing with moderating, in other forums ina-abuse din ng ibang moderator ang kapangyarihan nila. Almost every dog owner naman breeds and sells for one reason or another. Magkakaiba din ng pananaw at hilig. Meron more into showing their dogs, others into working them...For example, if we both have golden retrievers and you are into showing your dog in the ring at ako naman not interested in that but I train my GR for SAR (search and rescue), unmindful of pedigrees or perhaps even conformation. Now, sino sa atin ang may karapatan magbreed o magbenta? You could probably say na my dog is not worth breeding kasi may faults...or the other way around at sasabihin ko naman na your dog may be beautiful but not suitable for the kind of work it was developed for...Respect should be mutual. It is easy to condemn others because they have a different opinion. Sino ang may karapatan magsabi na ikaw ay isang puppy miller o backyard breeder lang? Dahil ba sa isa lang aso mo at maliit ang facility mo? Dahil ba sa hindi ka sumasali sa show o nag-iimport ng aso? Dahil ba sa mura lang kuha mo sa aso mo? Dahil hindi ka kilala o sikat? Dapat mawala na ang mga ganyang stereotypes. Hindi mo rin matatawaran o masasabi kung ano ang naging contribution ng ibang breeders. Kasalanan bang tahimik ka lang o hindi masyadong sumasali sa discussions? Dahil lang dun aalisan ka ng karapatan magbreed? That is discrimination already. You dont talk about fairness kung ikaw mismo ay discriminating di ba? Kung hindi ka ba mahilig o nakakasali madalas sa mga eyeballs or socials, dogwalks, seminars, dont spend a lot on grooming and doggie stuff/facilites...masasabi bang hindi ka RPO (responsible pet owner). They can be used as a guage somehow but not conclusive or accurate. Can it be measured by the amount of money you spend on those pets? Perhaps, but not always. What if he's just a rich brat who can afford to buy almost anything for his pet? Pero in truth, hindi naman sya marunong mag-alaga dahil may ibang tagapag-alaga sya...Yung caretaker ang responsible hindi sya. Baka pag iniwan mo na sa kanya mag-isa yung aso ay mamatay lang...For me, RPO is shown by the genuine care you provide to the pet that cannot be measured by parameters most people can think of.
While it is true, that there are indeed some people we suspect as mere puppy millers, hindi pa rin tamang solution sa pananaw ko ang pagpoint ng accusing finger at paghuhusga sa mga napagkakamalang puppy millers. It can be subject to abuse. Today, I recieved a wonderful e-mail...It was actually a decision making test wherein you will be asked to pick among two options. Meron daw 2 railroad track. Yung isa hindi na ginagamit at yung isa naman ay active. May isang grupo ng mga batang naglaro sa tracks na yan. Yung isa piniling maglaro doon sa hindi ginagamit to be safe. The rest decided to play on the other track na active dahil mas magandang maglaro doon. Now, a train is fast approaching the active track and you are beside the controls that will change the direction of the train and divert it to the other track available. What would you do? Would you choose to save more children by diverting the train to the other track where only one child is playing? Would you bear that in your conscience to sacrifice the life of one child to save more? The one child who chose to pick the unused track to be safe from harm's way...na sa bandang huli sya din pala ang madidisgrasya dahil sa decision mo?
According to the author of that decision making test is that the correct answer should be to pick and save the lone child. In the first place, he was the one who made the right decision by staying away from trouble. Although he seemed to be an outcast in the group because he played alone and seemed different, he was the only one who made a sensible move. Secondly, there is most likely a big reason behind why that track is no longer used. It could be because that track is proven to be dangerous or out of order. If you chose to sacrifice the single child to save the other children, chances are high that you could have probably put more lives in danger by sending the train to a hazardous track and maybe end up with more casualties. What's the moral of the story? Pag-nilayan na lang nating lahat... peace
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« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2009, 11:04:34 AM »

whew!! thanks for the insight beastmaster..  Wink

you've got a good point there, so as the others..
maganda itong basis para ma improve pa ang service nitong forum.. both sa breeders (whom you gave as an example is seldom join discussions here-para di sila ma discriminate or ma-judge ka agad) and members - especially THE TRUE AND LOYAL ONES (na somehow binibigyan ng protekta ng forum na ito-thru knowledge,advices and discussions).

it's all about respect and knowledge..  Wink
kung walang bobo walang maloloko..  peace
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« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2009, 03:13:37 PM »

Yes, I agree. We just have to be a little more conscious about our dealings and assert our rights as a buyer as well. Use common sense na rin. Sometimes sa sobrang kagustuhan na magkaron agad ng puppy, marahas tayo magdecision at pinagsasamantalahan naman nung iba. Wag din umasa sa sasabihin ng iba. Malay nyo sinisiraan lang pala yung tao or kakampi pala. Get to know the breeder well if you have the chance. Tip ko lang...ang manloloko mahusay ang dila at PR.  Wink Kukumbinsihin ka talaga nila na kumuha!
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« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2009, 04:53:18 PM »

Very well said Doc Bong!  Grin

Individually, we need to be responsible enough to get as much knowledge as possible about the people we are dealing with.  Hindi pwedeng aasa nalang tayo sa sabi-sabi ng iba o dahil lang may title na "expert" ang isang tao.  Someone who is respectable to me may not necessarily be respectable for another person.  Kanya-kanyang experience yan sa pakikitungo sa isang tao.  We cannot always generalize but we can use the known information about a certain person or group as a basis pero we would always need to do our own research to support yun mga facts or info we have beforehand.  After gathering all the info, use it and make a personal decision.  At the end of the day you will be held accountable for the outcome of the decision that you've made.  We cannot always look for someone else to blame. Grin Grin Grin

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« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2009, 10:36:15 PM »

Great thread!  ayos! applause ayos!
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« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2009, 11:28:06 AM »

nowadays, napansin ko.. yung mga poster sa mga for sale threads most of them hardly join discussions here, they are only here for business, perhaps they have other forum sites where they have a friend and group, well it's ok, this is a public forum and they are free to do what they want as long as wala silang na violate na rules..

but then, i shall say.. as a member of this group/forum site, we do not recommend members here to buy from people WE DO NOT KNOW or hardly talked with..

we campaign nga RPO e, how would we know if THEY practice such or even know and read about it..
trust and confidence, friendship aswell ang mga magandang foundation on choosing a breeder..  Wink
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« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2009, 05:04:15 AM »

Good question  peace

Dati suggestion ko e sana wala na lang for sale dito or ads ng stud. Ok lang yun mga accessories ng pets, grooming things, shampoos and conditioners, vitamins, cages,  etc etc but not pets.

Mag post na lang sila sa specific breed section ng mga aso nila, pag-usapan doon, magbalita ng new litters nila, describe their puppies etc, mabubuhay pa ang mga breed threads. If somebody wants to buy their pups or avail stud services mag PM na lang sa owner ng nasabing dog, that way they can negotiate personally.

Dami din kasi nag post lang dun sa for sale and stud services. Ni hindi mo makita sa ibang section na nakikibalitaktakan. Parang pupunta lang sa PPF para lang mag-ads then babay na. Tapos kapag may di magandang nangyari sa transaction nila, magsisiraan pa dito hehe, hindi na lang mag-usap ng maayos o kaya report sa masisipag nating moderator para mapag-ayos sila. hhhhaaaaaaaaaayyyyyy

Ano sa tingin nyo mga MODERATORS?

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